Listening to Casey Serin’s webcast Friday made me a bit queasy. The thought that kept going through my head was “this thing is going to end very, very badly.” And maybe not just with a bankruptcy or even a jail sentence. It made me reconsider whether I should continue to follow his story or participate in any way.
So I’m taking a bit of time out to stop hating the guy’s guts quite so much and make something constructive of it as well as to answer the question he asked this morning: "How do other entrepreneurs do it?". I doubt any of this will matter to him. He’s so far ignored even the most basic advice given to him, about the most basic things, like the need to open his mail. ("I’m trying to get better about it," he says.) But there may be lessons here for somebody else.
It may be the last thing I have to say about him.
Involve the people closest to you and make sure they want to be involved
One of the most successful venture capitalists I know tells me that the first interview he does when considering an investment is always with the CEO or founder. The second is always with the CEO or founder’s spouse. Not the CFO. Not the VP of marketing, or biz dev, or any other function. The CEO’s spouse.
The founder/CEO is typically the most critical person to the company’s success and without the support of a spouse there’s no way for him or her to handle the workload and stress of managing an entrepreneurial venture. After all, travel, relocation, and at times lengthy separation go with the territory. None of these are possible without spousal support. My VC friend won’t fund a company if he feels the CEO’s spouse isn’t as dedicated to an entrepreneurial lifestyle and the unique sacrifices that go with it as the CEO.
Casey has failed at this one. In the talkcast he stated that he didn’t even want to move 75 miles in order to live in one of his houses, in large part because his wife wouldn’t do it. He’s also acknowledged recently that she’s really seeking stability and a family – not things that often fit into an early-stage entrepreneur’s reality.
This morning, Casey admitted that "She has always felt like this is MY business, and she is just tagging along. We tried many times to work together without much success. She feels the business is her competition." Reading this, I almost fell off my chair. I’ll admit to having been feeling a bit sympathetic to his wife recently, but if there’s even a shred of truth to this, then she’s as deluded as Casey.
Casey, you are in California and the year is 2007. Generating enough income to support a growing family and maintaining a desirable lifestyle is going to mean hard work. For most couples it means hard work for both, at least for a few years before having children. It always means hard work on an ongoing basis for one of them. One can argue that Casey has wasted a lot of his time on useless efforts, but supporting a family solo is going to take that much time and maybe more whether it’s a W-2 job or anything else.
His wife needs to get with reality. Having a family and having a husband who is around most of the time to attend to her and give her full-time attention just won't happen unless she's content with living in a small crappy apartment and sending her kid to a public school in a lousy district. Having more means harder work, travel, sometimes odd hours. That kid she wants is going to cost a lot of money and it better be saved up in advance. She needs a job too.
Casey went ahead with his plans without having any real discussion with his wife about what it really would mean. If he's wanted to do this for as long as he claims, then it's unbelievable that it wouldn't have come up before they got married. His wife may also be living in a fantasyland.
This morning Casey asked if anybody knew "any entrepreneurs out there who have successfully done both? I’d love to have an example to follow…" OK Case, here’s a list. I don’t think you’ll like it though, because if nothing else their examples show that you’ve been going in the wrong direction from the start:
- Eli Broad. Never heard of him? How about Kaufmann & Broad, now known as KB Home (NYSE:KBH)? He’s the "Broad" in that name. One of the most successful real estate guys of all time and by all accounts several times more successful than Trump will ever be in everything other than shameless self-promotion. But (and this is the part Casey won’t like) he built it slowly, not taking too much risk and recognizing that sacrifice was necessary. He had the support of his wife all along. It was not "his" business, it was "theirs," and she knew it before she married him.
- Sticking with the real estate theme, Sam Zell, who just sold his business for $39b. Not a whole lot is known about his wife Helen, who mostly stays out of the spotlight but is on several boards and is generally acknowledged to be involved in much of her husband’s charitable work, if nothing else. Oh, and once again. They built it slowly. (And to make another point that Casey doesn’t want to hear, Zell started out by working with a guy he met in college…)
- Warren Buffet. If you need to ask, just shoot yourself now and do us all a favor.
- Andy Grove. Another great example of what it takes. His wife followed him across the country in the early 60s to get his PhD and then through several startups the last of which was Intel. Not a whole lot is known about her, but anybody who's witnessed his workaholic ways can attest to the fact that she had to put up with a lot.
- Nolan Bushnell. Truly one of the great tech-entrepreneur stories with lots of success and failure. Little is known about his wife, but they have been together for most of his career and have several children.
In looking at this list, it appears that most important thing all these guys did in their personal relationships is marry the right person. Some married young, others married older. All married "right." The partners they found shared their goals, or at least cared enough about their need to pursue those goals that they went along. Casey married wrong. They didn’t really know each other, didn’t discuss what directions they each wanted to pursue and when, and in fact may still not see eye-to-eye on much of anything.
Sadly, Casey’s statement this morning makes it sound like he views marriage as just another shiny object, another thing he needs to have in order to prove himself worthy to his family, his god, or some other external audience.
Casey may figure out a way to be a great success someday. I doubt it, but I’d applaud him if he did. But, I suspect that if he goes there he’ll do it alone. Whatever his wife thought she was signing up for, this was not it.
Have a plan
Casey has never had a plan. First it was real estate investing with no money down. Then it was blogging for relationships to continue his real estate investing. Now he’s selling links to unscrupulous advertisers in order to keep things going and to keep himself away from any kind of a real work commitment. Beneath it all he's still looking for that one big deal that will pay off his debt and provide him with the passive income he needs to live a great life with no work.
I have yet to see a business that didn’t have a plan. Often the plans change over time. Sometimes the business is started haphazardly, but if it's to continue, the plan has to come into being pretty quickly. [My own consulting business started that way. It was, literally, a creation of my first customer. But by the time I wrapped up that first deal and started looking for customer #2, I had a plan for what I was doing. I’ve updated that plan every quarter since I started. This, for a one-person business.]
Such a plan needs to have real benchmarks and consequences elaborated. How will you know if you’re doing well? How will you know when you’ve gone too far and need to pull the plug? The plan should address all these things. It’s no different from a trader’s plan. As any good trader can attest, you need to decide what will get you out of the trade before you get into it. Where's your stop-loss? What's the target that will trigger profit taking? If you don’t, have this, chances are you’ll get in for the wrong reasons and overstay your welcome.
Casey talks of sweet deals and opportunities, but to date has yet to articulate any real plan for what he’s doing, what he brings to the table, and how he’ll really make money.
Be realistic about timeframes
On that note, one of the things that has hurt Casey the most is his desire to do it all fast. This has put more pressure on his personal life and forced him into more leverage than he should have taken on. Most successful entrepreneurs balance these things by going slow.
I know that the internet boom and bust has made many people think that the "normal" thing is to build huge amounts of money quickly. In fact, that’s quite abnormal. One benefit to going slow over time is that you do get to keep your relationships somewhat sane. Note that all the successful entrepreneurs with successful marriages who I cited above have built it slow. Oftentimes "on the side" is OK, which leads to…
Start Small
Preferably as a hobby. I’ve tried lots of things in my life, and probably will try many more. I do them on the side, and if I fail it’s no big deal, if I’m successful I can think further about how seriously I want to pursue it. Some things are better as hobbies.
Deciding from the start, with no experience and an apparent degree of impulsiveness, that being a real estate investor was the thing for him was stupid. Going out and buying eight houses all at once and trying to fix ‘n flip them all simultaneously without really knowing whether he enjoyed everything about it was idiotic. And deciding to continue against all odds even when it’s clear to everybody that he really didn't like many of the most critical elements of the chosen profession is just plain absurd.
Have a partner
Somebody whose skills complement your own. As I’ve written elsewhere in this space, my grandfather was quite successful as an entrepreneur. He was the junior partner in the business and my great uncle was the driving force. Older relatives who were involved all agree that it took both of them to make it work. My uncle was what Casey probably would call an “ideas guy,” but also one who could bring incredible focus to the details that interested him, including merchandising and promotions. My grandfather helped figure out how to make it all work and held the ship together despite what some relatives have described as my uncle’s impulsiveness. They made millions when a million dollars still meant something. And neither one of them could have done it alone.
Having a partner means being trustworthy. Otherwise, at best you have a temporary relationship that will fall apart or a paid relationship which requires a lot more money than a startup one-person venture is likely to have.
Do the financials. Then do them again
Then do them every month for the rest of your life
A friend who is a successful entrepreneur put it simply: "The difference between a hobby and a business is the financials." Not much I can add to that. The financials are a key element of both the plan and the management of ongoing operations.
Casey treats this as unnecessary detail. But in a challenging market it’s essential. Can Casey tell anyone what the cap rates were on the properties he bought? Cap rate is a critical valuation measure used by virtually all successful real estate investors. Yes, flippers too. Can he tell anybody what cap rates he’s looking for going forward? Can he identify any other financial metrics relevant to the deals he thinks he wants to do? If he can’t, then he’s made himself a sucker for all the guys who have figured out those numbers and will sweet talk him into taking lousy deals.
This means you need to know at least the basics of accounting and business finance. If you don’t, that’s one of the skills you must find in a partner.
Read the Mail
(and the email, and everything else you can get your hands on)
Then pound the pavement to verify the facts and take action
Jeff Matthews gives a great example: Work hard, keep your mouth shut, and answer your mail. You could be president too.
This is hard work and it’s often not fun. If you can't see why Jeff's story is relevant to an entrepreneur, then you shouldn't be one.
The Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth
Paul Kedrosky once noted on his blog that in his experience, what employees really want is clarity. It’s even more true of your investors and partners. No flip-flopping, no half truths, no excuses, no vague statements, no explanations or expectations after the fact. Just straight out clarity.
Casey has been the king of saying something, then trying to re-interpret whatever it was that he said. Just a few weeks ago he promised his wife no more use of credit. Just two days ago he contemplated out loud about using his corporate credit line to pay off a different debt. I guess in his mind swapping one debt for another doesn’t constitute "using credit." I wonder if his wife would agree? To echo my earlier point, I also wonder why he asked the readers of his blog before asking her?
Sorry, no clarity there. There needs to be. 100% brutal, direct, sometimes unpleasant clarity. And from that clarity, maybe some real answers would emerge.
And Build Trust
This, more than anything else is why Casey is attacked. This, more than anything else, is why everybody Casey tries to do business with ends up walking away in disgust. This, more than anything else is why his former associates and even his brother are turning into haterz™.
Trust means doing exactly what you said you’d do. If you don't want to do it, you walk away from the deal. Saying "yes," and later saying "but…" just doesn’t cut it. It doesn't develop the "win-win" scenarios Casey loves to talk about but has never created. Anybody who is serious about business will abandon you if you behave that way, and when that happens, they'll do everything possible to make sure they look clean and their side of the story is known, just as Casey's former associate Duane is doing right now.
This brings me to the answer to the other question Casey asked this morning:
"Isn’t it true that anybody who gets enough public exposure runs the risk of Haterz digging up crap and talking trash about innocent family members? I can now identify with the politicians and movie stars.
I just wish it wasn’t this bad. What can I do at this point? Probably the only thing I can do is shut down the blog and hope everybody forgets about me."
If you look up any of those entrepreneurs above you’ll see that there isn’t much out there about their wives. Granted, people in that situation are able to do a lot of PR and rumor-squelching that Casey can’t. But they know something else that Casey doesn’t: You avoid attention to the people around you by avoiding controversy yourself. People don't go to huge efforts to dig up dirt on people they admire, but they will put in endless effort to do this to people they resent.
When the IamFacingForeclosure blog got started, there were no haterz™, just people interested in the story. When Casey continued to demonstrate that he was untrustworthy, unprincipled, unwilling to take advice, unapologetic and probably criminal, he brought on the hate. Smart businesspeople know they need to avoid this. Casey seems not to learn.
Casey, do yourself and the world a favor: turn your life around, start working and saving, start paying off your debt, start opening your mail, start talking to your creditors and the hate will go away. How you manage it might even make an interesting story.
-btc




Comments (19)
Very, very well said.
Posted by fiat lux | May 27, 2007 4:33 PM
Awesome post, 5 out of 5.
Posted by Milton's Ghost | May 27, 2007 5:03 PM
Thanks guys.
Started this one during the talkcast on Friday, then decided to put it aside for a bit. This morning's IAFF posting made me decide I had to get it off my chest. I don't believe for a minute that it will matter, but like much of what I write, it's for me and anybody else who finds some glimmer of usefulness in it.
-btc
Posted by BelowTheCrowd
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May 27, 2007 6:35 PM
My compliments.
Posted by Orson Buggy | May 27, 2007 8:24 PM
I've been following Casey's story for the last couple of months.
I spent many hours of precious time that i should have spent reading books on my long list of to-finish-reading books.
I work for a real sweat shop and time is really difficult to come by.
I've been trying to understand why would i, who considers himself a reasonably intelligent individual, waste my time on this. I even wrote a few comments and even listened to one of the conf calls.
Is there something to be learned there?
I hope not for me . . .
Anyways, you made me feel all better now. I now know of another individual who i consider intelligent spent even more time on this than i did! There must be something about this "story" that i'm just fail to understand or recognize. I hope we can learn something from this and QUICKLY move on to better things.
I was able to deal with other distractions quite efficiently. I don't watch much tv, don't follow any celebrity BS, don't read or watch soap operas, etc, etc. I even limit my political interests to situations relevant to my investments. And that's not easy to do for a person who has opinions about everything.
And NO, i don't have a blog!
So i'm stunned that a story of some sick kid was able to distract so many people (and especially a guy like me) for so long.
Posted by Dr No | May 27, 2007 9:15 PM
I think what you have written is absolutely spot on. You SO can only work with you as an entrepreneur if they either accept what you do and let you get on with it or are 100% committed to the same business and working together in it.
I will just run one thought by you. I think real estate was just another shiney object Casey alighted on that could give him this "passive income" he decided he wanted (deserved?). 7 years ago it would have been the stockmarket. Another time, it would have been commodity futures. The blog may still have been written but he'd just be complaining about Securities Commission (?) rules and how can he unwind a trading position without losing loads of cash, what can his broker do to make him repay his losses etc. etc.
Posted by Arthur Wankspittle | May 27, 2007 11:22 PM
A sensationally good post, and completely true. If only Casey would read it and take it on board.
I'm married to a budding entrepreneur, but thus far she seems to be following the principles you outlined to the letter - she's not interested in getting rich quick, she's merely offering the same service independently that she used to offer as an employee, which she's completely qualified to offer, and for which she already has a solid word-of-mouth reputation.
And she has my full support because I know she's not going to do anything stupid (we have two young children, so that's really not an option - plus, she has a professional reputation to protect). Every time she needs any capital investment, we have a four-way meeting involving myself and her two backers, and thoroughly discuss the implications. I'm not formally involved in the business, as I have far too many projects of my own, but the fact that she thinks I should be present at these meetings speaks volumes.
And every time she seems completely on top of the numbers - borne out by the fact that she then goes and does the things she told us she was going to do, within the timeframe that she said she was going to do them. Which is why all her business associates trust her and why everything seems to be running like clockwork. And even if it all collapses, she's bent over backwards to minimize the upfront risk, so we're looking at a four-figure loss in total - which we can easily absorb.
Posted by Miguel | May 28, 2007 12:18 AM
props
i wonder if casey would even read this?
the problem i see with casey and most failed entrepreneurs is that they lack a realistic exit strategy
and once they dive in head deep it gets even harder for them to see the big picture
they don't know how, or even see the need, to pull themselves out and simply struggle along until they run out of breath
Posted by thbmok | May 28, 2007 2:31 AM
That's exactly right - and part of the problem in Casey's case is that he initially sought backing from large impersonal corporations, and treated them the way most of us treat them - i.e. generally ignored them unless he specifically wanted their services.
The problem is, when he then tried to find backers with identifiable human faces, he proceeded to treat them exactly the same way - with the result that they dropped him like the proverbial hot potato. And I'd frankly be amazed if anyone wanted to put serious money into any of his ventures now, after he's proved that even legally binding contracts with deadline-driven obligations mean nothing to him.
In my wife's case, her backers are close personal friends (of both of us), which is why she's not minded to risk their money on harebrained schemes - and the question of an exit strategy is discussed at every single meeting.
The real problem for Casey - and, admittedly, one of the reasons his story is so appallingly fascinating - is that I simply don't see how he can pull himself out now, as he's burned pretty much every bridge he ever had. I'm not sure he could have managed it back in September, but he'd have had a groundswell of enthusiastic supporters had he made a real and determined effort. But now, it's just too late.
Posted by Miguel | May 28, 2007 2:54 AM
Warren Buffet, not such a good example.
Posted by Lost Cause | May 28, 2007 9:25 PM
Lost Cause,
Agreed. Definitely not a "perfect" marriage by traditional defintions.
But clearly an example of an entrepreneur and his wife figuring how how to work things out. Casey and Galina would probably not approve. I figure that if you can get that far without things blowing up, you're probably ahead of the game.
Kind of wondered if anybody would even notice, which is why there were no links and only a rather obnoxious comment.
So far, Casey has not noted the issues with that example, but he does want me to call in...
-btc
Posted by BelowTheCrowd
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May 28, 2007 10:09 PM
As you can see in his comments, he acknowleges reading this, but gave your the
"I don't aggree with most of it, but you had some good points" sluff off answer, Which translated means "You pegged me right on, but I'm too proud to admit it." Either that, or he's dilusional.
I don't think he's fully realized that this is going to haunt him the rest of his life unless he finds some nigerian money scam that will put about 3million in his pocket tommorrow...
he mentions finding a buyer for a $1.5bln casino and that the commision is $15mil
Why would ANYONE with $1.5bln to spend on a casino even talk to him, let alone acknowlege his existance.
I don't know why I follow this, I guess it just offends my sensabilities so much I can't look away.
Posted by Zintradi | May 29, 2007 8:57 AM
This post was excellent. A very fair, objective analyis in my opinion.
I quibble with your recent comment where you identifiy Casey as an "entrepreneur" (i.e.- "an example of an entrepreneur and his wife..."). Regardless of what Casey says about him being a entreprneur and budding real-estate mogul, the fact is that if foolishly running up a whole bunch of debt with no plan to repay that debt is all it takes to make one an entrepreneur, then there are a whole crapload of entrepreneurs in America who don't even know they are entrepreneurs.
With that minor quibble out of the way let me reiterate that I really thought your post had some excellent points.
One I am taking to heart is what you said early on about this not ending well and you reconsidering whether to continue to follow his story or not.
I was one of the people you mention near the end of your post who began to follow the Casey story because it was interesting. As I contuned to follow the story I found it to be funney. At times I would find some of the "hater" posts amusing, or I would laugh at Casey when he made some of his more inane posts. Over time an element of disgust with Casey's attitude, the things he had done, and his do-nothing approach to making amends for his crimes began to emerge in me. I did grow to, not necessarily hate the guy, but certainly to have no respect for him and to actively dislike him.
Now though, the situation is just sad. Very sad.
It is coming ever more to the forefront just how much he has hurt the people close to him.
It also has become evident to me, and to more and more others all the time, that Casey has a mental/emontional disorder of some sort which contributed in a major way to getting him into this situation and keeps him from being able to dig himself out of it.
Mental disorders and hurting the people who love you aren't funny to me.
I too am thinking the best thing to do is simply not follow the Casey situation anymore, and in particular not indirectly support Casey by visiting the IAFF site anymore.
Posted by RH | May 29, 2007 9:47 AM
Really a good article. I could learn a few things from you.
Yes, you need buy-in from your family, but I am sure it is often the case where the biz is the plaything of a single partner. I would say that clear boundries are the point to note.
I might actually listen if you call in.
Posted by Lost Cause | May 29, 2007 9:58 AM
In looking closer at this I see you were referring to Warren Buffet, not Casey, when you talked of an entrpreneur and his wife.
Sorry, didn't pick up on that before.
Thanks again for the excellent post.
Posted by RH | May 29, 2007 2:55 PM
Yeah, Buffet's hardly the greatest example if you're looking for great marriages.
But a pretty good example of how not to let your work situation fuck up your life or vice versa. Whatever they did or didn't have between them, they figured out how to deal with without a huge scandal or undue attention. She was still on multiple boards and was the executor of his will until her death. That's when he decided to give it all to the Gates Foundation as his second choice. (Though a brilliant one in so many ways.)
-btc
Posted by BelowTheCrowd
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May 29, 2007 8:58 PM
I just wanted to say that this is easily the single best post on Casey and his situation and what we can learn from him that I've read.
All young would-be entrepreneurs should be forced to read this to learn the rules like "work hard", "follow through", "get the support of those close to you" and "if you're not at good at it, find someone who is".
Bravo, I'm especially impressed that you actually got a response to this as well. Eventually Casey's star will fade and he'll learn that not everything in life is meant to be brought to him. Most things he needs to go out and get.
Posted by The Landlord | May 30, 2007 2:28 AM
Dear BTC: I echo the comments of the other posters above. Intelligent post, well argued, thoughtful, the best analysis of Casey Serin and his situation I have read to date.
One suggestion to be offered, if I may, regarding the list of entrepreneurs you mentioned above. Other qualities that you have to have when starting a business is that you MUST be passionate about it, be prepared to learn from your failures, and believe in yourself. To illustrate just several examples of other men in other professions, Walt Disney, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Colonel Sanders, all experienced failures or setbacks during their careers; but applied the lessons learned and continued forward. Honesty and Integrity are essential, of course, but if you don't BELIEVE with your whole heart in what you're doing, then your efforts will go nowhere.
Abrey
Posted by Abrey Myers | May 31, 2007 7:20 AM
Abrey,
Agree completely. Casey asked for a list of folks who did it while maintaining good marriages. I threw in Bufffett just for fun, because while he hasn't had any nastiness, his marriage has been anything but "traditional." Lost Cause called me on it, but Casey never noticed. So much for him "researching" those individuals.
There are lots of things an entrepreneur needs that could be added to the list. Not all were relevant to the specific subject I was discussing.
-btc
Posted by BelowTheCrowd
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May 31, 2007 12:52 PM